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The R8216 requires certain procedures in order to programme it successfully using an ELITE.. see below..
The later R8247 does not require any special procedures in programming.. please note the R8247 was incorrectly labelled as an R8216 in production.. i.e. the aluminium product label on the underside of the unit is incorrect.. However the packaging and instructions are correct. There is a date code on the underside of the unit.. engraved into the underside you will find the numbers 50/07.. this identifies the unit as R8247. Any earlier date code is a R8216.
Using an ELITE to programme the Point Decoder R8216.
Please note that the firmware version of the ELITE has no bearing on the following..
The following notes and procedure should help with the process of programming the Hornby point decoder with the ELITE controller.. For those of you who have used a SELECT controller to set up you points and now are experiencing “no response” please refer to the note in red at the end regarding point address numbering translation between the SELECT and ELITE controllers...
ELITE controller.. Point Decoder R8216 Programming Procedure..
1, When the Point Decoder successfully programmes it activates channel 1 of the Point Decoder. This behaviour can be used as an indicator that programming has been successful. Connect a Hornby Point motor to the first channel output of the Point Decoder.
Ensure that you have the point motor correctly connected..
Red = +
Black = C
Green = - ***
*** it is possible that this wire may be Brown or White depending on when your point motor was manufactured.
2, Set the point motor armature is set centrally between the two coils. When the point motor activates it will throw the armature towards one of the coils, there will be an audible click from the solenoid as this happens. This procedure is advised; as it will make it easier to tell when the point motor armature has been thrown… thus indicating successful programming.
3, Connect the Point Decoder to the programming track and carry out the programming procedure as directed in the ELITE manual page 39.. ensure that you use “Reg” mode.. For an explanation regarding address ranges available for use with Point Decoder R8216 please see explanations below.
4, It is likely that the point motor will fail to programme on first attempt… (this is normal) after the initial programme cycle has been executed the ELITE display will show the message.. “Address”.. Pressing the control knob (knob 1 in the example in the manual) 3 times in succession will repeat the programming cycle… repeat this action until the point motor is activated as described above.
Explanations..
Address Ranges..
The Point Decoder has four output ports that are set in a group of four consecutive addresses. The address range is 1-252.
If you programme the Point Decoder as any number in the range 1-4, e.g. 3, the 4 output ports of the Point Decoder will be allocated as addresses... 1, 2, 3, and 4.
If you programme the Point Decoder as any number in the range 5-8 e.g. 7, the 4 output ports of the Point Decoder will be allocated to addresses 5, 6, 7, and 8.
These batches of 4 addresses are often referred to as Groups. Therefore, Group 1 will be addresses 1-4, Group 2 will be address range 5-8 and so on. Up to a total of 63 groups possible groups.
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Why won’t the Point Decoder programme on the first attempt when using my ELITE?
When I used a SELECT to programme the Point Decoders, all worked fine. Now I have an ELITE and it won’t programme my Point Decoders.. what’s going on?
The Point Decoder R8216 was primarily designed to be used with the Hornby SELECT unit. The SELECT does not have a dedicated programme output like the ELITE. This is a crucial difference when programming the Point Decoder R8216 with the ELITE. The SELECT output has a high current capability while the ELITE utilises a low current dedicated programme track output. In order to programme the Point Decoder the onboard capacitors that make up the point motor control output need to be charged. When a non-charged Point Decoder is connected to the programming track these capacitors will effectively sap all the power until they are charged. Since power is only applied to the programming track during the programming cycle, it may take several “goes” before the capacitors reach charge.. thus allowing successful programming.
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Notes..
1, Precharging the Point Decoder before attempting to programme can cut down the number of programme cycles needed to successfully programme the Point Decoder. To precharge the Point Decoder, simply connect it temporarily to the main track output of the ELITE for about 7-10 seconds, then disconnect and carry out the programming procedure outlined above.
2, Also, if after precharging, you temporarily connect a 50ohm 5watt resistor between the + (positive) of output port 4 of the Point Decoder and either of the programme output connections on the ELITE controller you will be able to programme the Point Decoder on the first attempt. The resistor maintains the charge on the internal Point Decoder capacitors as described above.
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3, If you have programmed your point address range using a SELECT starting at 60 to 63, you will find that when connecting to an ELITE controller the points will respond to 57-60. i.e. your first point in the group is 57 not 60. This is because, early SELECTs pre firmware 1.1, allowed 60 to be used as the first number within the first point group. Version 1.1 SELECTs start the point numbering for the first point group as 61-64. This corresponds with the normal NMRA practice..
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