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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:18 pm    Post subject: Weathering Reply with quote

What (if any) Weathering products do you use for Locomotives, wagons Buildings, and Track in general? Do you use the traditional ground up Chalk based pastels or profesional stuff Like weathering products made especially for the Job? If use either please could you give some quick ups and downs of the products? Thanks, Joe.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have always used the air brush and a very dilute dirty colour mix in very thin coats .
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i only do rust on the rails so far, I just use the colour Airfix provide in beginers kits as camoflauge brown for Model planes.

I brush it on, it works quite well but is VERY time consuming and tedious.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thinned down Revell 'Anthracite' brushed on works for me.  It runs nicely into creases and dries with a matt finish and if you want some dirtier bits, dip the brush into neat paint and work it in.
 I'll post a pic of my Airfix re-built Scot to illustrate the effect if you want. (Unfortunately, you'll have to dig out the original photo from Jake's forum to do a 'before' and 'after' comparison.)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some pics of Royal Scot weathered:   (OK, I know I didn't have the middle driving wheel on the tracks properly - I didn't have my glasses on!)





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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are those custom nameplates or did they come with the model?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They came with the model Pol.  (it's the Airfix one)
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Nice method Tom. I Love the Lining as it sometimes disapears from view as there is weathering over it. Also Noakesy I started to paint my rails aswell but it looks terrible have you got any tips?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe you could use the technique I used on my rusting loco parts...
Dip brush in paint, paint wood to remove worst of paint, brush onto metal?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks For that Ill give it a try, Ive got loads of wood to paint.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How to paint rusty rails. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEJUDo7Uw94
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Pol that one is on my list but Ill probably never get it because it is quite expensive maybe just use Camborners method, sure it takes longer and wont look as clean and crisp as with the proffessional tools but hey its worth a try.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mig  Weathering  powders  work  well  on  scale stuff i've  used  them  for  ages,  made  for  the  military   modellers  in  the  main  no  reason  why  they  cant  be used

http://www.migproductions.com/ficheros_tienda/english/index.html
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it the Pigmen tsets I should be looking at as they look quiet good but Im a bit confused as to what I am looking at, Thanks
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
Is it the Pigmen tsets I should be looking at as they look quiet good but Im a bit confused as to what I am looking at, Thanks
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Hi  Joe,
The  sets  will  contain  five/six   jars  of the  numbers  given depending  on the set  your  looking  at ....... make  a note of  the  numbers  and  look  at  the  jars  section  to  give you  whats  included  in the  sets.

Found  these  on ebay  for  you  to  see the prices  of  them  

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your  welcome Joe    if  you try  them  lets  us  know  how  you  go  on.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi just an update, as Teleman noticed in the last video I made I had painted some of the rails, it looks O.k in my opinion especially in the pictures on the Vid I thought! Anyway upnick: I haven't got any of those paints yet BUT I am looking to get them soon as i want to weather a Loco, thanks. And Camborner: thanks for the method I have used it and well I must say it works quite well for such a basic method, best to use a small brush though
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Joe,

dunno if this may be of any help but I made up a step-by-step workshop on my website. Point your mouse to "Workshops" and select "Weathering".

My site still needs a lot of translation work. So if you go strolling around it, don't be surprised, if German language pops up . This is especially true for the foto-section where you also find a weathering-section. To view a picture full size, just click it...

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Erhard, It does help it shows how to weather a truck and I am assuming the same applies to a Loco. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Err, not quite...

Depends whether you want to weather a steam engine or a diesel/electric.

For diesels or electrics you can use the same method as for wagons.

For steam engines, I use a slightly different method to also reach those regions that are normally covered by the rods and linkages.

I used a straight piece of sectional track, four selfmade brass "springs", and a wooden block that fits underneath the loco.
The block is just high enough to lift the loco off the track and is firmly glued to the sleepers with CA (superglue).
From very thin brass, I made 4 thin strips and slightly bent them to a "Z" shape. Then, they were soldered to the track, as were track feeders. Check the tension of the springs: they should just provide connection to the engine wheels but not lift it up.

Now the loco is placed on top of the block, a transformer connected to the track and turned up so that the wheels start to turn slowly.

Now I can weather the wheels without having any "clean" spots on them, same goes for the rods. From my experience, the best tool to do this is using an airbrush. Use a low pressure, such as  0.2 to 0.5 bar to apply only thin layers of paint. Let every coat dry and judge it. if it seems to be not enough, apply another coat.

Fine tuning can be done using a small paint brush.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have an airbrush, how much do they cost?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can buy them for £17.99. http://www.abcmodelsport.co.uk/sh...-Airbrush-Set-SAction-ExtMix.html But I'd save up and get a better one. http://www.abcmodelsport.co.uk/shop/320/7964/
Erk, they're not there anymore.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good advice, pol.
I'd like to add that a compressor also makes sense. Using an air bottle doesn't give consistent results as the air in the bottle tends to freeze when used for a longer period of time.

Joe, if you only use the airbrush from time to time, a simple compressor will do. If, however, you want to do more than just weathering a loco one month or another, I recommend to save up here as well and buy a compressor that is oil-cooled and has a water precipator to keep the air dry.

I wouldn't know where to buy them in GB but maybe pol can jump in give a little more help here...

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete's the airbrush expert, I've never used one myself so I wouldn't know which one to recommend. If someone does recommend one however, I should be able to find a link of where to buy it.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Opps ment to get back to here
A good all round air brush is the Badger one , If you are going to be using lots small amounts of diffrent colours the get one with a cup as well as the jars ,
Air cans do cost but i would try one first as most air brush kits come with one before you think about a compresser as they do cost a lot but are better as you have more control over the air pressure

Another thing about Badger is that if your local shop sells Revell kits they can get the Badger air brush and jars etc as they come from the same firm  
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool, thanks for that Peter. At the moment an airbrsuh is way down the list. Ive got a alot to do to both layouts (well one thats built anyway) before i start thinking about stock and it's appearence but You input has been taken inot account thanks!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bit unusual - maybe - but I just found out how to put my better half's make-up to a sensible use :

The pigments are fine enough to be used for weathering. See the PennCentral boxcar below:

Click here for full size

Use the supplied applicator to apply the pigments to the car. It holds very well to the plastic and can easily be fixed using Dullcote spray or clear flat spray-paint. The boxcar shown is an old Atlas N-scale car.

The make-up sets are easily avaible in drug stores, don't cost a fortune, and come in various colors.

The time invested for the above model is something around 3 minutes...

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