Armature replacement

Even older tom · Armature replacement

I've ordered a couple of those 5-pole armatures you mentioned Pete and wondered if you had any tips on how to fit them? (e.g. be careful 'cos the floggle toggle spring can fly off etc.)

poliss

This isn't the same motor but it is a comprehensive description of the insides of a similar type of motor with tips on cleaning, what faults to look for etc.
http://members.aol.com/dgosha/motors.html

Even older tom

Cheers Pol.

Teleman

I find them easy to fit , The only thing is becareful fo the plastic clips that hold the plate the brushies are in as they can break , and take the brushies and springs out first . I use a cog puller to get the gear off or a screw driver and leaver it off

Even older tom

Thanks Pete. I've got a cog puller from my IBM days. I'll dig it out and dust it off.

Even older tom

They arrived today. Nicely packed in a fag packet! How's that for re-cycling?

Teleman

I'm still waiting for the second batch to arrive , the post is always late on a friday , i will be lucky if its here before 3

Teleman

Not to bad the post has just got here , and they here in a fag packet to

Even older tom

Fitted one to my Hornby King (it happens to be Edward 1st

, but that will change once my order fom Fox Transfers arrives!

) and the difference is astounding. Very smooth lift and brake. Why aren't all locos 5 pole?

I did find that my 2 armatures were a) different colours and b) had a tiny difference in shaft diameter. The green coloured one had a shaft that fitted the cog perfectly. The red one was a bit narrow and might need packing but I'll try it and see what happens when I convert my Duchess. Well worth £8.00 (including p and p) for each loco.

Did you come across the same problems Pete?

Joe

Will it be King Dave? I would Pay to see that.

Camborner

Is this Fox Transfers thing the same as the repaint? Livery I'd be most interested to see on a King is that of 6018 King Henry VI on her last run. Might do it if I can buy a BR King.

Even older tom

Camborner

Just remember the GWR numbers! They are absolute hell to get onto the buffer beam... so for everybody else, it'll be as easy as pie.

Teleman

I've only fitted one so far and that fitted ok , *digs around in bottom of office bin* purple winding on that one , One winding is open curcuit thats why i went looking for motors and found the armatures *throws it back in bin*

Even older tom

Teleman

I would think that to be right as even in the BR days passanger locos were green . Its hard to tell from b/w photos but all the pictures i could find it looked a lighter colour than the smoke box

poliss

Haven't googled yet but were any painted wartime black?

Camborner

They were always green, they were NEVER black, although they were painted in BR blue, like King Edward II will be when it's finished.

Camborner

I quote from my book...
'Between (1942) and 1945, all repainted locomotives except 'Castles' and 'Kings' were in unlined green.'

Joe

I like A4s In wartime Black but have never Heard Of a King In Black Either.

Will

I can't imagine BR Blue on steam locos (other than Mallard and SNG)

Camborner

http://www.6023.co.uk/blue_june_'06.htm
King Edward II in blue, missing lining and logos.

Joe

http://www.6023.co.uk/Ke2-10.jpg

Really Nice site Camborner This was my Fave Pic (Above) Very Run down Coach though!

Will

To be honest, I don't think it looks right.

Camborner

You grow to love it. Hornby should make one when it reutrns to steam next year...
They should but they probably won't.

Joe

Put it in the SuggestionsForm! On the Hornby Web Page.

Camborner

http://www.6023.co.uk/1997_7923_SPH_1977_29_3.jpg
6023 when she was at Barry scrapyard, dubbed 'Project Impossible'.

Will

Is that sarcasm

poliss

Are the X9024 armatures on this page the same or is there something different about them? http://www.model-net.co.uk/Motor.html

Teleman

In a word yes

These motors are to replace the 3 pole ones (X8438) as they are a diffrent size to the 5 pole one (X9024) which is a little bit smaller in size .

Even older tom

Cheaper, though, than the ones we've got!
At least ours are in stock and available.

Edit:

Wet day so I can't film (not light enough) so I'll have a go at converting the Duchess motor.

Teleman

And the right size ! as the Hornby 5 pole motor is smaller

Stufiley

I think Lima might have done one of their Kings in blue. Could be wrong though.

Even older tom

Thanks Stu, but it's gotta be black.

Pete: Both the locos now run the opposite way to all my other ones. Has this happened to yours? Do you think the windings are wrong on these armatures?
It's not a big problem with the King, I can just swap the wires around but the Duchess uses the motor casing as the neg pickup so it's not possible to alter it. Btw, the magnet was never removed in either case, so it can't be that the poles are wrong.

Cheers

poliss

One of the advantages of DCC. Just press a button and the default direction is changed.

Teleman

I 've only tryed it on the rolling road , i will check it later , Ryans friend is here and they won't let me near the layout
Edit at almost 4 pm . It does go the wrong way

a quick re wire and it will go the same way as the rest