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upnick

Washes for models

Hi  All,  

After  posting  an  article  on   dry brushing  i  couldnt  find  a   pictorial   link  for  washes  on  models  &  so  decided to  do  one for  this section   on  one of  my  HO   cars.  

It  has had some decalling work   already  applied   and so  i  made a  start  with washes ......  

What  you  need ......  

Two  brushes    they  dont  need  to be  you  best   about   number  3      mine  came from  a plastic  kit.  
Jar  with  some  clean  white spirit     Or thinner for  the type of paint you  are using.  
Burnt Umber oil  paint
Couple of  sheets of   clean  Kitchen Towel
Piece of  scrap  plasticard
Something to   prop  your model  while  you  work  on it

I used a  9V battery for propping  the  car  while working on  it  sat  at  a shallow angle   so   the wash  would run  down  the side of the  car  realistically ..........  

Here  is the car before the wash  



I have  used  wihte spirit to  thin   the  Oil  paint  here  and used oil  paint  as the  pigment  of it is very finely  ground  giving  a better  effect ....   enamel   paint  works  well   and  thinned  again with  white spirit  or   enamel  thinners  ...  acrylic paint  will  work  but  can  bead  on  the surface  you  are  working on  and  so i  tend to avoid  it.

Put  a little well  stirred  paint  onto  the  scrap  plastic  and  dip  your  brush in  white spirit  adding it to the plastic  dip  the  tip  of  the brush  in  the paint  and   mix  the   spirit with it until   you have an opaque  colour  as here.



Now wash  your  brush clean  and   load  it with  white spirit  touching  the  model  in  the recess  allowing  the  spirit  to run  down   in the   recess   if  it  needs more sprit  repeat  the  process  .......  



Any  excess   spirit the build up  on the lower  edge of  the car can  be soaked  lightly  with the edge  of the  kitchen  towel

Now load the brush  with  your paint/spirit  mix   touch  the recess   and allow the mix to  flow into it   ......   sorry the pic is   out  of  focus  the folowing  pictures  will  show things  better.



Build up  the washes to   the desired  effect   if the mix is to   dark   add  more  spirit   ....  i  have  allowed  the  mix  to   build  on  the lower edge of  the car  here   and  picked out   some  other detail.

Use  more spirit on  the flat areas  as well   adding the mix as  before   toning  down  the  orginal  paint finish  giving a  used  look.  

Here  is one section   ready  for   drybrushing  and  powder  application   thev  U.P.   shield  needing   a   nipping  with  the   scalpel  tip   & decalling agents  needed in places  to  flatten  it  out   a  little  more.

The  rivets now stand  out and  the difference in the end   and side  door can  be  seen  after  the wash  treatment.



With  oil paints  they  do  take  a while to  dry  out   over  enamels.

This technique  can  be   applied  to  any   stock   buildings  etc   the  brickwork  in  a  building can  look bland  and  flat but  with washes  it  comes alive with detail.

Use the wash  sparingly and build it  up   is the  secret to  it ...  if your not happy  add  more thinner and  soak  with  the kitchen towel    edge   and start over.

Hopefully i  will  get  around  to  finishing  this car   soon  and will   take more pictures of it  progress  to  completion  here.
poliss

Worthy of a magazine article Nick.
upnick

Thank  you Poliss  ......   hoping  time  find time  to  finish the car  with  washes today   surrounded by cardboard  and  packing  tape at the moment  though    
Even older tom

Good stuff Nick.  
bando1_de

Very good article, Nick, thanks for sharing it.

Basically, I use the same technique as you do, but instead of oil paints, I use pastels. Pastels give the opportunity to grind them to a consistency between somewhat rough and very fine powder. For instance, on some heavily weathered models, I needed crusts of built-up rust and the pastels provided that opportunity.

I use 80% isopropanol alcohol to thin the pastels. Use a spare paint jar, fill in the pastel chalk and fill up with alcohol until the chalk is just covered, Then stir or shake to solve the chalk, and fill up until you have a barely translucent solution.

The boxcar in this photo was treated with this method.

The advantage of using alcohol instead of oil paints is IMHO that alcohol evaporates really fast and the model is dry after a few seconds.
upnick

Another method  i'll have to  try  Erhard  ... many thanks   for the idea  
bando1_de

Ummm, I originally didn't intend to publish this but you can always learn from the mistakes made by others...

A customer of mine sent me a small parcel last week which included a loco and letter that basically said : "Sorry, I messed this up. Can you do something about it?"

What I got? See for yourselves (Click image for full size):





Well, in reality, this engine would end up at the scrapyard bandhead . I was way too busy with my photo tour to America last week and so I didn't touch the engine yet.
This is a "restauration" project for the first week of September. It clearly shows what happens if you want to get fast results and put on a thick layer of paint instead of going nice and easy with several thin layers. Well, another couple of $$$$ for me

I'll keep you posted about this (and of course I'll also write up a travel report on my website).

See you,
Erhard
poliss

What did he use? Paint stripper or some other aggresive chemical?
bando1_de

Just made a quick inspection. Looks like a mixture of pastels and enamels. Seems, there's a lot of "fun" for me at stake
upnick

Some work  ahead  as  you  say  Erhard  ........  either thinners  or a  glassfibre pencil  carefully   may  help  i  have removed   mistakes on  models with  one gently so not to move the paint  if thinners doesnt work.  

Try not to  resort  to  the latter  though  if  possible.
bando1_de

Nick,
as a first treatment, I will give it a thorough wash with "Mr. Thinner". This stuff even dissolves old acrylics. I have been able to make 10 year old paints workable with it. mr. Thinner also doesn't affect decals; painted on numbers have to be covered with masking fluid, though.

I think that after the "cleaning", I will weather it to a "workhorse" state (which the Consolidations actaully were in their late years, serving as shunters in yards and poorly maintained)

Erhard
upnick

Hi  Erhard,    

Not  seen   ''Mr  thinner''    who  makes it  ?
bando1_de

Here's a link

Scroll down to Thinners.

The stuff is made by Gunze Sangyo in Japan.
poliss

I think this is the stuff.
http://www.shopcreator.com/mall/d..._99380/1/GSI%2520Gunze%2520Sangyo
bando1_de

Yep, that's it!
upnick

Hi   Erhard/Poliss   .......  thanks  for both links     got  some  on its  way to try  
dave`s dangerous

And there was me thinking it was Thinners from B @ Q
ba4472

i dont have clue what thinners are..... i leave that to my father.....

this is a good question:

does weathering add value to a model or detract value from a model?
poliss

Paint is usually too thick to put straight on to a model, so you add thinners. I expect you have some turpentine substitute under the sink. Nearly everyone does. Similar thing, but no good for acrylic paint etc.

Value only matters if you have to sell. If you're buying as an investment, you've chosen the wrong hobby. Collect gold when the market is low.
Teleman

ba4472 wrote:


this is a good question:

does weathering add value to a model or detract value from a model?


I use weathering to cover up scratch marks or a poor finish  
Then sell it on Ebay as weathered   and buy one in better condition  
bando1_de

ba4472 wrote:

does weathering add value to a model or detract value from a model?


That's more or less a matter of personal taste.
I have a few customers who send me their weathered models (which they bought second hand) in order to have them restored to factory condition. Most of them, however, want their models weathered for more realism on their layout.
ba4472

bando1_de wrote:
ba4472 wrote:

does weathering add value to a model or detract value from a model?


That's more or less a matter of personal taste.
I have a few customers who send me their weathered models (which they bought second hand) in order to have them restored to factory condition. Most of them, however, want their models weathered for more realism on their layout.


hmmm... i see... i didn't know if to go and weather some engines and stock as all of it is pristine finish, which isn't realistic.... it's just that i fear that weathered stock will look better than my layout.... Nick has seen the layout....

and why have engines Un-weathered why not buy one which hasn't been weathered  

oh well

thanks Erhard  
dave`s dangerous

Should`nt worry about it, I am weathered and my wife does`nt think I am worth anymore probably thinks worth less?????
poliss

laughing5
ba4472

dave`s dangerous wrote:
Should`nt worry about it, I am weathered and my wife does`nt think I am worth anymore probably thinks worth less?????


     that put a smile on my face..... and lifted my mood a bit...  laughing3  sign5
dave`s dangerous

Little tip I just found out ..Don`t weather with water paint on top of Enamel ...leave you to guess the result.
upnick

dave`s dangerous wrote:
Little tip I just found out ..Don`t weather with water paint on top of Enamel ...leave you to guess the result.


Would  think  it  leaves  a  beaded  finish   Dave  ...........     it  does often   on  loco   /stock   paint.
dave`s dangerous

upnick wrote:
dave`s dangerous wrote:
Little tip I just found out ..Don`t weather with water paint on top of Enamel ...leave you to guess the result.


Would  think  it  leaves  a  beaded  finish   Dave  ...........     it  does often   on  loco   /stock   paint.


Yes Nick, and I have come to the conclusion that it`s easier painting with the water colours, dry`s faster, dosn`t smear when glue gets on it, and if you want a gloss finish, put a coat of gloss over at the finish. Humbrol do a range in water paints not sure if its something new, but my local shop is new to them.
upnick

dave`s dangerous wrote:


Yes Nick, and I have come to the conclusion that it`s easier painting with the water colours, dry`s faster, dosn`t smear when glue gets on it, and if you want a gloss finish, put a coat of gloss over at the finish. Humbrol do a range in water paints not sure if its something new, but my local shop is new to them.


Hi Dave,  

In  my   start of  this  thread  i  did mention   i  avoid  water  colour  paints  in  weathering   ...   the  only  time  i  use them is  when  i  know the  paint  they  are  being  applied  to are   waterbased.  

Erhard    gave  us  a different  method  with   IPA    and  pastel  chalks   ...  they  settle  on factory   paint  finishes   and  dry   quickly,   or  use a thinners  and  enamel  paint.  

Applying  gloss  over  a finish  is  fine to  seal  things  but   stock / locos are  either  satin    or   more than  like matt   after  weathering   in  real  life  not gloss.

One  thing  to  remember  is   on  steam  locos   the  running  gear   stays the   same    shiny  finish  in  service   as  the   gear  was  smeared  in oil   therefore  deflecting   any   dirt   build  up,   any  weathering there  could be   an   oil   spill   on   joints.
dave`s dangerous

Yes i took note of that, but what I tried was on a building that I had painted with enamel paint, which I think would have been more suitable being painted with water colour for the reason I gave of drying quick and as I said if I wanted a shine after just put a coat of gloss on.

By the way that insulation was it Eurotherme? and what did you cut it with?
upnick

The Mr thinner  arrived   today  smells   bit  like   cellulose type  have to try  it  this weekend  
dave`s dangerous

Could be better than a glass of Malt????

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