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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hi  Dave,  

The link  is  the main  Walthers site page,   i  could  be  going to  my  modelshop  next  weekend for  more  track/couplers  and  can tell  you if he  has  any buildings  you  may  be  interested  in  
Thanks Nick if there is anything let me know, bear in mind mine is 60`s 70`s 00 but looking for a supermarket or medium idustrial buildings.
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Picture of area for a building to be put on is the grassed area which is would support a building up to 12" X 4"  so if you find anything of interest please let me know :TRAIN:  :TRAIN:
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi  Dave,  



In  the  picture   here  how  wide   is  it  where  the  red  line   is next to  the white  road marking  across  the  road   ?  

Looking  through  the  Walthers  catalogue  here   does  it  have  to  have  a  back  to  it   as  i've   found   a couple of background  buildings  a little  longer  12 7/8   that  would  fit  in.

http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-3173
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-3178

This  would  fit  in  nicely
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-3165
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Nick the width there is 4 and a quater inches and my lenght is 13" fro the bridge which is 4" high, I think it would be better with a back on it as part of it would be visable. Thanks.      
How do I get a picture on my profile down to the correct size to put it on?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That building 3173 looks to be the favorite, whats  the price in £ and can I order direct from u k  shop?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi  Dave,    

As  far as  your  avator  goes   reduce the picture  in   a prgoramme  such as   Photobucket   to   the dimensions   as follows   save  the   resized  pic  to  your pictures  and   use  it   as your  avator  

Displays a small graphic image below your details in posts. Only one image can be displayed at a time, its width can be no greater than 200 pixels, the height no greater than 2000 pixels, and the file size no more than 29 KB.

The  building  is  available  here   http://www.modeljunction.info/estore/product_info.php?products_id=52
but   the background  buildings are  just  that  intended  to   go   on  a  flat backdrop   and  have  no  details on  one  side.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi All,    

After thinking  about  the  height  issue with the  background  buildings on  the  layout  i  added  a   backdrop  board  this morning   14''    high   and    used  some  foam   to    try   and  get  some ideas  how  it  may   look    when   done   ........    nothing  is glued  down   at  the  moment   here   are  a couple  of  shots   a loco   in    to  give  an  idea of  scale  the pickup   is  on   a  road   next  to the  apartments but  there  is  no   space  for  a  sidewalk   and a retaining wall   to  the railroad,  the foam   will  go   on  the  level there   at least left to the end  of  the module.  
What  do  you  all  think    of  it  as a  concept  there   are  a couple  of  issues   i  need  to  solve  
1.    the sidewalk  
2.    what   can  i  do  to  with  the  end  of  the  foam  on  the right   next   to   centennial  mills  .....  i was  thinking  of  a grass   bank   sloping towards  the mills  ?  
3. Should i   have an  overpass  road inline  over  the railroad   to   service  the   apartments and market  ?  ending   before  the  mills,    another apartment   kit  needs  to be  built   yet  to  go  alongside and   a DPM   factory.





Any  ideas   appreciated.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did a bit of thinking (dangerous ) and looking at your picture, I get the feeling that the foam block (for my personal gusto) is way to high. Height-wise, I would cut it in half.

To make room for a decent road, I'd build a "overhanging " pavement supported by concrete columns so that one lane basically covers the track. This also leaves ample space for sidewalks and street lamps.

To give the impression that the road actually goes somewhere, I'd build a sharp curve towards the backdrop panel and paint the road on the backdrop. To make the illusion perfect, one could "frame" the road by two flat buildings and conceal the transition to the backdrop by a pedestrian overpass between those to buildings.

The grass bank towards Centennial mills sounds good but it should be fairly small in order to enhance the industrial character...

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Nick but I also think that foam is a bit high, but it`s not as easy to visulise from a photo.
Still trying to figure out how to get my picture down to 29kb
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bando1_de wrote:
Did a bit of thinking (dangerous ) and looking at your picture, I get the feeling that the foam block (for my personal gusto) is way to high. Height-wise, I would cut it in half.

To make room for a decent road, I'd build a "overhanging " pavement supported by concrete columns so that one lane basically covers the track. This also leaves ample space for sidewalks and street lamps.

To give the impression that the road actually goes somewhere, I'd build a sharp curve towards the backdrop panel and paint the road on the backdrop. To make the illusion perfect, one could "frame" the road by two flat buildings and conceal the transition to the backdrop by a pedestrian overpass between those to buildings.

The grass bank towards Centennial mills sounds good but it should be fairly small in order to enhance the industrial character...

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Hi Erhard,    

Yes i was thinking  the foam  is too  high   as well    but   how to  fill  the  space   over  the  buildings  height on  the backdrop   made  me  try it  so high .......  the  idea of   having  the   road   over  the  track   is   what  i  had  visulaised  but  didnt  put   it  into words  correctly    
The  columns   make the   loco   disappear   and  reappear  adding more  interest ........   something found  in an industrial   area.  

Many thanks for  your input  it  is   greatly  appreciated  

Hi Dave,    
Can you  send  me your pic   in a   PM  or  post  it   here  &  i'll  try  and  reduce  it   for you.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

 
This is the picture I wanted to put on my profile
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Dave,  

Try saving  the  pic here  to  your  pictures  on  the  PC   go  to  your  profile page  and   click  on  browse and  choose  the  pic from  your   PC pictures and upload it  as  your avator  here  should  be  ok   as its   197   pixels  wide  



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Yeah  it works  dave  i tried it   on  my  profile      
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick,

I'd say the height of the backdrop is determined by the height of Centennial Mills plus an inch or so. There's no need to fill every square inch of the backdrop with building flats because it doesn't look realistic. How about painting in some clouds? Make them accentuated and clearly visible in the upper part of the backdrop and let them fade to the bottom part. This suggests a lot depth.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Nick as you can see it worked, I tried with photo bucket but lost it somewhere, O`well I keep trying these new technology things, get there some day.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:07 am    Post subject: profile Reply with quote

Thanks to you also Doug for reducing my profile picture, I tried in photo bucket but lost it somewhere? Still keep trying these things. By the way had to log in again. violent1
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bando1_de wrote:
Nick,

I'd say the height of the backdrop is determined by the height of Centennial Mills plus an inch or so. There's no need to fill every square inch of the backdrop with building flats because it doesn't look realistic. How about painting in some clouds? Make them accentuated and clearly visible in the upper part of the backdrop and let them fade to the bottom part. This suggests a lot depth.

Erhard


Hi  Erhard,  

Very  good  points you  have  made  i  have  halved  the  height  of  the  foam  now  and  it  looks  a lot better        like  the idea of  the clouds   have  to get  my artistic  vent   in  to   practice  
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thanks Nick as you can see it worked, I tried with photo bucket but lost it somewhere, O`well I keep trying these new technology things, get there some day.


Hi  Dave,    

Glad  the  pic  worked  
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Hi  All,    

After lowering  the height  of  the foam  more   background  buildings  are needed  i  decided   for  variety ......  a  search   of  Walthers  background structures  and   DPM     kits had  me watching  a   DPM     kit  made up  of  modular  sections  ideal   i thought  and   mailed  the seller   in  the  States  if  he could  post  it to the  U.K.  as  he  advertised   post  worldwide   the  watch  stopped after  no  reply   but   change  in  the  listing to  ship   to  United States    

Saturday afternoon   i  went over to picturescue  Clitheroe  to   my LHS  and made  up  the  following  structure   from  the   Walthers  American   Hardware   supply  kit  Still  have  a few walls  left   hopefully  i  can  use  around the layout possibly  as  Erhard  suggested   two   wall  ends  with a  pedestrian  bridge   linking  them.


   
Spreading  the  kit  out  gives a  good   length.



A route in  the K&S    metals   box   provided   the  pipe from  the watertank   into   the building.


One of  the  windows  blanked  of with   brick  plasticard  next to  the loading   dock.


Inside ready  for   plasticard  floors and  lighting.


The motorised  blower on  the roof   is loose  and will   join  other  items  there  with  cables   for  power .......  & firescapes

I  picked  up   Walthers Northern  light and  Power  kit  with  a  bit  more  track  Kato   RS2   Chicago Great  Western   and  a pack  of   Kadees  while   at  the  LHS ...   (  could  have  done  with  a few  more  packs of  Kadees )  


A picture of  a carshop gave me  the  idea  to   have  trucks  removed  from   cars  lined  up   in a mini   diorama  near or  next to  the  shop    the   guy  at  the  LHS   gave  me  these  for  a  couple of  quid .  


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Looks really good Nick. Do they come in that pale pink colour, or is it a trick of the lighting.


You've made all this since yesterday?? You'll never make a real builder.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Looks really good Nick. Do they come in that pale pink colour, or is it a trick of the lighting.


You've made all this since yesterday?? You'll never make a real builder.


Hi  Poliss,  

The  plastic  is grey   the flash   turns  the  pic  pink    

Only started  about  midnight   last night   with  it      
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Hi All,    

This weekend  got some of  the  backdrops sorted  to  allow me  to  see  the  buildings    together aginst  them   properly  for  the  first  time.

This  is  to  be the    main building in the centre of  the  layout   (Walthers   American  hardware  supply)  i took out  the  higher  level  block  today   and  will  have   all  the  buildings  on  baseboard level.


With the windows  left   after converting  the  hardware   supply i    used some plastic sheet  to  make up  another   section  of  the  same   outlet further  down the track


This  one  again  scratchbuilt with   more sheeting needing  windows making  i   got  the  idea  after seeing  a  picture  on the  net this  week


The angled  structure   started life as   DPM Laube's linen  mill   some kitbashing  and this  is  the  result   a Walthers  fire escape  has  been added,   between  it  and   the main  structure of  the  layout  i  plan  a  road   to  create a crossing   where the   scalpel  is onto the scrapyard.  



Walthers Northern  light  and Power  structure  provided  the   scrapyard  dealers  the track  running  inside to  pick  up   loads  in gondolas  a   side  road to  hold   empty/full   gons ready to  be  used  or moved  away   from the facility ......  the two   roads  leading  off  the  board  will  go  to   the fifth   module  still  to  be made  up  and  finalised.


Overall  view  from  mid point  to  the   dealers the  road  will  go  to  the  left  of the  structure   with  a  fenced  off area.



Mid point to  the car shop  end  


A Walthers  roof   detail  set  has   added  more interest    with  air con  units  etc .
Need to work  on   other  ideas  to make  it  all  knit   together as always suggestions  are  most  welcome.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brilliant stuff Nick.

I love the angled building - it breaks up the solid line of the other buildings and adds interest.

A great idea for anyone making a low relief back scene!
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Cheers  Tom          

May  need   a  couple of  more  buildings to  complete the  scene     over  the joins  in the   backboards.
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Hi  All,      

With  work  and  all  not   got  a lot on  the layout done but thought i'd post two of the new locos .......... i  converted the first yesterday  to  DCC   using  a  TCS M1   decoder

Atlas  Trainman SP   GP38-2  #4800  weathered    bring  the  total of Geeps  on  the  layout  to  three now    :tada:    the   four axle   locos  handling  the switching tracks   better  .......  







Proto 2000   GP38-2 #2749  in CSX   paint which  came  fitted  with  a  Digitrax  decoder  she just  needs  a  weathering  up now  to  fit in  


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Hi  All,      

Well  with  this  layout i  am  never going  to  be happy i  have  decided & started  to   disassemble  it   ......... running  it  doesnt give me any  satisfaction at  all  ....... a  switcher  layout isnt  for me in  HO.  

No  sooner  do the  locos   start than  they stop   a shame   really  but  i   have plans  for  the  boards   in  N  scale   my   first  choice of  railroading & have plenty  of  locos/  stock  to run  probably  my   initial   intention  for the   layout  space  i  have   namely   intermodal   ...  the  board  will  need to   be a  little  wider at either end  for a turnaround double  track.    

Everything  i  have  for  the   HO    apart  from  the powercab   will  be sold  off   in the coming  weeks,  and i will    post  details  of them  if anyone  is  interested  on  any items.  

I will  be  back   & start a new thread soon  with  my  new  venture   once the  boards  are cleared  
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At least you will find it easier to sell them than the old days before the internet Nick.
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At least you will find it easier to sell them than the old days before the internet Nick.


True Poliss    ..  most locos are new   only  having  been  converted  to  DCC  
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear that you got no Satisfaction from that layout Nick I thought it looked great, but I suppose you get more satisfaction planning and building new railroad , than looking at a compleated one. I am just a starter but have re designed mine 3 times in less than 2 years.
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Hi Dave,
Yes it taught me a lot   which  i  hope can   come  in useful for  the  new  layout      





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