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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not spooks Dave, it's the Borrowers.

"Arrietty Clock is a Borrower, although actually, when this story starts, she's never been borrowing in her life. She lives with her father and mother under the floorboards in the kitchen of a rather large, old house. Her father, Pol, regularly goes off borrowing, for the things that the family needs.

Have you ever wondered where all those little lost things go to in a house? All the bottle tops and pins and needles and string and matchboxes and reels of cotton and a hundred and one other things? Well, someone like Pol has probably been round collecting them."
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Things  turn  up  right  in front  of  me  after searching  for  a few  minutes  Dave       think  its   the lamps  need  adjusting    

Or as  Poliss  says Pod  has paid  you a visit    
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pol ? i thought it was Pod too
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It was Pod until I altered it. I read all 6 Borrowers books in one night when I was a kid because every book ended on a cliffhanger and I couldn't wait to find out what happened.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMG if i read six in a year my Mum would have fainted   Still the same now , book are for looking things up in to find out things for me .
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I read all the Biggles books in the library and Jennings, Submariner Sinclair (he says they don't sound the klaxon and shout dive, dive, dive. The enemy would hear that 10 miles away), James Blish, Hugh Walters etc. etc. etc. Couldn't keep me out of the library.
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You could never get me in a Library , unless it had a big reference section , I would spend hours looking things up , never took many books home to read .
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is it just me . but when I am working on alterations every time I require a certain tool they are nowhere to be seen, although I have just used them, think I have Spooks in my Loft


It's just age, Dave.  We all suffer from it.  Chances are that what you need is right in front of your eyes but you can't see it.  (That's usually the case for me!  )


Funny you should say that Tom, they usually are there in front of me, shall have to keep taking the tablets
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is it just me . but when I am working on alterations every time I require a certain tool they are nowhere to be seen, although I have just used them, think I have Spooks in my Loft


It's just age, Dave.  We all suffer from it.  Chances are that what you need is right in front of your eyes but you can't see it.  (That's usually the case for me!  )


Just been working on my layout for the last 2 hours and 3 times looking allover for certain tools, and as you said Tom there they where right in front of me. It is wierd  
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Looking for your glasses when you have them on already is the worst.  
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Looking for your glasses when you have them on already is the worst.  


That takes some beating Doug, although last week I took a sock off to put a plaster on, put the sock over my shoulder then spent 10 minutes looking for it.
The wife called me a dozy old twit      
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's trouble at' points. Derailments and jumpiness. Can't quite see where the probem is. Looks like lcos are rising over the fishplates. Will have to take a section out and examine closely on a table.

On the positive side, Multimaus works a treat on mi sound locos.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also have been having problems with loc`os and rolling stock on the points I have been re-laying, but with a bit o tweeking on the guide rails and again re setting on the board so they are absolutley level I have now (touch wood) got them running smoothly over the points.  Funny thing I have 1 rake of carriages that kept getting de-railed on one set of points and then aother rake which gave no problem, and both lots are Hornby and not very old stock.   Where would the fun be if every thing went smoothly  
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi   Poliss/Dave,      

A little weight in  the  cars  might solve the jumpiness   or  shimming  of the   trucks.  

Dave  your   coaches   the  set that go   over   no    problems  you may find are  slightly heavier    

The  NMRA   weight guide is a good  rule of  thumb   to  go    by

http://www.nmra.org/beginner/weight.html
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Not the weight Nick. My Arnold BR80 0-6-0 with heavy metal body jumps like a kangaroo over the points. Can't see the track end on while it's in situ.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not the weight Nick. My Arnold BR80 0-6-0 with heavy metal body jumps like a kangaroo over the points. Can't see the track end on while it's in situ.


Hi  Poliss,    

Is  it   a side to  side or   up   &   down   jumping   ?   could  be the  Back  to  backs  that  dont  like the  change  in  point line up with  the rest  of  the  track    my  Kato   locos  run smoothly   over  the  points  at  the front of the  layout   crossing   from   outer to inner tracks   but   Life Like  E7/8    units   dont  go  over   well   and   at times  derail   think  its  the   wheel  flanges  not taking  to  the   code  55 track  ........   maybe need  to replace them   with   Kato   units        
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Up and down, probably caused by the extremely clunky fishplates. Happens berfore it even gets to the turn.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Up and down, probably caused by the extremely clunky fishplates. Happens berfore it even gets to the turn.



Hi  Poliss,    

If  the  track   is   glued down  in its  final  placing    try  running  a  car over  the  fishplates   mark   where  they   catch  the  plates   &    file   the areas  as  needed.

The other  option   is  to  mark the  track  up    on  the boards   &   remove the  plates   relay   &   solder  the track  up   for smooth  joints.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing is fixed down yet as I keep modifying the track plan. If you look at the fishplates second from the left in this pic you can see the problem with the size of the fishplates.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cS71XS-.../s1600-h/Fleischmann+vs+Tomix.JPG

Changing them with Minitrix fishplates might solve the problem as they are finer but still fit on Tomix track.

As the mini Tomix points are designed for trams it looks like only old models with a large turning radius and four wheeled locos will run through the points. Which means my layout will be just like the real thing with each loco having a Route Availabilty restriction.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if this will help Pol but on my OO layout there was a section of track (including points) that gave all my rolling stock some grief whether they were approaching, going over or even leaving the section (for no apparent reason).  The track looked perfect, totally flat etc. In exasperation, I went at them with some screws between the sleepers to make damn sure they were flat.

Guess what happened?

Yep, you are right - all worked perfectly. Added some more glue/ballast, let it dry and removed the screws. No problems since.

I'm guessing N is even less tolerant than OO so it might an idea to give this a try.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi  Poliss,    

I   can  see  better now your problems   ....  like Tom  i   used  servo  screws  to  hold  in  place   Code  83   on  the   HO  layout  while the  glue  was drying   the same could  be  done  with  your  track    butt it  all  up    perfectly in line  &   then    glue  /ballast   soldering  the joins  where  needed   a  touch   of  flux  on the join   solder    flowed  into  the joint  &   a  touch   with  some desoldering  braid to clean  any excess   of  the side of   the  rails  if  needed.

The  screws  allow   you  to level  out   any track   as  Tom    said,   either  up  or  down   WS  trackbed  can  make the track  sit   proud  of  the next  rail.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waiting for some more Kato points to arrive before I fix anything down. The whole layout tends to move when you undo a piece of Kato track.
Lack of space is the problem. If I had an extra 4' length I could use 15 degree crossing/slips etc.
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True Poliss  crossings  take  up  a lot of  room  when space  is  limited        i   know after  trying  various combinations  here  in  planning.  i  have seen    use  of  a  reversing  module on   crossings   but have been told   if   all   8    rails   are insulated   and  feeds  in  the crossing   &   after   rall   8   rails  the crossing  will  work   ok   without  the  need  for  a  reversing  module      
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just add points wherever and have never needed insulated joiners on anything, not even on the scissors crossover. No shorts (apart from when locos fall over). Must be clever chappies over at Kato HQ.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Revised track plan with loads of points deleted. Had to or there would be no room for buildings. The straight line to the turntable should be a curve, but I don't know how to draw one with PSP.  



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All points have arrived and are now in place. All I need now to complete the track is a curve to the turntable, some buffer stops and a magnetic uncoupler that sits on the track.
Fingers crossed I can fit my roundehouse in.  
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look forward to seeing it all completed, should be before Xmas    
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Yep, but I'm not saying which Xmas.  
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well thought out plan though doug, not like me I just lay it pull it up and re lay about 4 times, by about which time the track is bu...rd and have knocked the spring out of the points.
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Just realised I need six bits of track for my roundhouse.



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