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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice one Joe!  The figure does look like he's in scale for the RH & D doesn't he?  

Took these two pics in 'Lamp' mode on my camera - it manages to focus better but takes tiny pictures for some reason.  

Knocked up some wooden blanks for the buildings to see if they look OK for scale:




I tried cross bracing on the truss bridge but anything thicker than a human hair looked out of scale ( ) so I decided against it.  Do you like the way the raised edges caused by my knife cutting the styrene make it look like girders?  

No, it wasn't planned, it was pure luck!   thumbleft
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, the H girders look good. Have you tried stretch sprue for cross bracing Tom?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom,
Maybe magnet wire would do the job for cross-bracing. I'm almost sure that you have an old motor lying around in your "spares boxes"...

Glue it to the styrene with super glue. Install all wire at the top first and let the glue harden thoroughly. Then stretch it and glue down the lower ends. Means a lot fiddling and patience but at our age this shouldn't be a problem

Finishing touches would be to paint the wire black and rust. If it looks out of scale: don't bother; early railroads had little money and also took what they could find to build their right of way (and most of them built stronger than required, nonetheless).
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks both of you.  

I tried stretched sprue but couldn't get it all to be the same thickness Pol.

I thought of that Erhard, I tried using Lagartun extra fine wire but found that I there's no suitable anchor point for the lower end and it just looked wrong stuck to the side of the girder.  

Please keep up the suggestions, though!  
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha! Nothing easier than that:
simply drill a very small hole through the top beam, thread the wire in, glue it in place and repeat for the lower beam.

After the glue has set, sand the glue-spots and paint. Done
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NOW LOOK, MATE... THOSE GIRDERS ARE 1.2mm WIDE AND THERE'S NO WAY MY 57 YEAR OLD EYES CAN MANAGE THAT - EVEN WITH THE AID OF A MICROSCOPE!  OK?      

Nice idea though, Erhard!  occasion5
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<dg&r> Want me to do it? My eyes are two years younger (still need glasses though)...
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In the post tonight Erhard.  I expect return within 3 working days. toothy10
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Deal, I choose the working days angel4  headbang
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Smarty pants!
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I have a drill thats .3 of a mill dia would that be small enough ?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teleman wrote:
I have a drill thats .3 of a mill dia would that be small enough ?


Me  too   Teleman        with  the  stretched  sprue  Tom  hold   one end of the plastic  in a vice  and   heat  then   move  away  from the vice  quickly  should  give  you  loads of  the  same  thickness   sprue      i  use  the   scrap  frames  that  come  with plastic  kits.  

Then  drill  a tiny  hole  thread  the plastic  through over  length   glue  one  end  stretch  it  dab with superglue  the other  end  let  it  dry  and  trim  flush  with a new  scalpel blade   should be taught  and  flush  now with  the  frame of  the  bridge.    nike
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An update on the layout:

I've made some buildings (which still need work) and added a bit of greenery.  It now seems to have moved from Arizona into the Appellations!  scratch  



The mine building and the water tower have come out sort-of OK but I think 'they' were nearly right Pol, scratch building in Z is very difficult sometimes.

How about a quick (unedited) movie....



Just got to decide what to do with the other 70% of the layout... help
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That looks fantastic Tom.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent, as usual, Tom!

I think the buildings look great.
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Looks  superb   Tom        

With   some scenics  greenery   in  now  it brings more life  to  it
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

  Wow, Tom! You've done an absolutley cracking job with that!!! thumbleft
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That's amazing! I keep thinking it's bigger than it is!
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Very well done, Tom! Now only the wagons and the loco look so bright and shiny (shivers), way tooo clean <dg&r>! sad4
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Very well done, Tom! Now only the wagons and the loco look so bright and shiny (shivers), way tooo clean <dg&r>! sad4


Spot on, Erhard.  That's the final job when I'm happy with the rest of the layout (just in case I get fed up with the layout and end up trying to sell the train!).

A question for you, please:

Any idea what the distance between the telegraph poles at the side of a US railroad is?  A rough guess would be good enough.  I think they would just add that final detail (and I've got some very, very thin wire which might well look good between the poles.)
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom,
In the late 1800's, the poles were set up at a distance of about 50 feet. I usually use a 40' boxcar to mjeasure the poles' location in order to suggest distance when photographed (and most of my modules are built with taking pictures in mind).

Here's a link to site about utility and railroad poles:
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Scroll down a fair bit to read about the railroad poles.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again Erhard.  That's a useful tip, shortening the gap to suggest greater distance.

Now all I have to do is make 30 or so telegraph poles!  pale
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Toothpicks come in quite handy... toothy3
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another neat idea from Erhard!

But   :

I've just measured the ones I have and they are just over 2mm across which would scale up fine if I wanted the full, beefy, many wired poles but I think the thinner, single wire would be more fitting.  I've got loads of 1mm brass rod which scales up to a nice size, so I'm going with that.

Thinking about it, though...  the toothpicks would be a perfect size for a Fir tree trunk...  hmmmm... might look good on the top left hand corner and as a load on the flatbed wagon....
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Loved the witch colliding with the telegraph pole in the bottom pic.  sign5
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Loved the witch colliding with the telegraph pole in the bottom pic.  sign5


No, I'm NOT going to do one!  
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Well, I did the poles and the wire...  the wire is so fine, you can hardly see it  sad10

I thought a sepia shot might look in keeping - pity about the rather large tweezers.   And the lozenge shape between the track is going to be where the dirt road crosses the line.

(I really MUST put my glasses on before taking photos   )


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Veeery nice!

>> the toothpicks would be a perfect size for a Fir tree trunk...
...and the rough side of a pot sponge (those "Scotchbrite" thingies) make the twigs and the needles if torn apart a bit...

Oops, another thing that won't cost money

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Outstanding!  Looks really authentic in sepia.  I keep expecting to see someone in a ten gallon hat sitting on a horse!

Can we have a close up of the telegraph poles in colour if possible please Tom?

And the tweezers?
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Outstanding!  Looks really authentic in sepia.  I keep expecting to see someone in a ten gallon hat sitting on a horse!

Can we have a close up of the telegraph poles in colour if possible please Tom?

And the tweezers?


Thanks Hugh, they look prtty naff close up (so do the tweezers   ) but I'll have a go when a photgraph the next phase..

Btw everyone, it's still £0.00 outlay  hello1



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